Quality craft vs magic craft
Posted 04 March 2009 - 04:21 PM
Based on your crafting skill vs skill required to make an item you would get a failure (loss of all material), low quality, average, high or gm once you maxed out your skill. That was so much more exciting then collect x, y and z and poof hereís your magical item.
Which lead me to my next grip; crafting has become too high fantasy and not enough high quality. For example why does every item have to be magical? Why canít an item just be exquisitely made?
It was also nice that you could take items and recycle them getting some of the base material back. Iím hoping alganon will allow crafters to recycle items to get some of the base material back. For example if you recycle a basic sword that took 8 ingots to create you would get back 4 to 6 ingots based on your recycling skill. If you recycled a magic sword that took 8 ingots to create you would get back 4 to 6 enriched ingots or basic ingot and magical component.
Posted 04 March 2009 - 11:54 PM
Come april, we'll see what they got for us.
Posted 05 March 2009 - 12:53 AM
I really liked AC2's crafting. You selected the level of the item you wanted to try to make, were told the components needed, and a colour code for the chance of success, from 100% down to less than 10%. The chance was based on your crafting skill level compared to the level of the item you wanted to craft. Feel lucky?
I'm not sure crafting with a failure chance would be popular now.
I'm interested to learn what this game plans for crafting.
Posted 27 March 2009 - 06:32 PM
With critical successes, you could high a higher quality armor with more armor/damage dealt (physical or magical) / an automatic skill increase too.
Along those lines with critical or normal failures, you could lose the materials by how much you failed the crafting attempt by. For example, if you barely failed the crafting attempt, you would lose only a part of the materials used. However, a critical failure would result in a total loss of all mats, but you might gain a skill level knowing you will not try to make it that way again.
Salvaging, which I saw on another post, could be a means to recycle mats. How many blacksmiths made a sword to melt down to make another sword to level their own skills. Perhaps if salvaged mats were used then the success rate could be made harder a little to reflect the materials being used again.
I do like the idea of crafters being to have a clean slate to work from. Adding their dye or patterns to an existing template would encourage more individualism; of course, other things could be added also like spikes, banners, crafter emblems, ribbons, etc.
Still looking forward to the game.....
Posted 28 March 2009 - 02:38 AM
Not much point to having more than 1 quality of item if only the top one counts. As the EQ2 dev said when they removed the quality system, "I can spend time making 4 of every item or 4 times as many items, which would you prefer?" I'm staying with the later.
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 09:41 AM
I'm sure there are other methods that could be used to keep the populations low on special items and make the more common items a little more viable.
Posted 28 March 2009 - 04:01 PM
Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:22 PM
The player then has more choices and may not gravitate solely toward "green", "blue", "purple" items. Of course the downside to this type of system is more extensive itemization and coding so perhaps too resource heavy for consideration.
Posted 04 April 2009 - 06:09 AM
Now I know this would need a lot of refining to fit into a MMO but for me the concept of crafting just isn't that immersive because to be a master craftsmen you would need to do that craft all the time. If you had someone do the work for you and you just supplied the goods and decided what they are to build and the quality etc then it could have some interesting concepts I feel
Posted 12 April 2009 - 12:39 AM
One question is whether or not the very rare/expensive components should be destroyed on failure. EQ2 finally went the way of preserving the rare; however, I could see both sides. I would hate to have to tell a guild mate that the component he/she/it spent 4 weeks of constant raiding to get went poof after the cat jumped on the keyboard.
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Posted 12 April 2009 - 02:59 AM
One of the ideas I have always liked and thought would work in an MMO is how they done things in Guild 2. Basically you would buy a workshop and then you would have to supply the workshop with goods. From there an NPC would craft the items ready for your distribution etc.
Remember when 'hollow' weapons were introduced in AC? You would gather the parts together then take them to the NPC for crafting. Similar idea -- minus the workshop.
While I appreciate crafting, I don't like spending hours upon hours (upon hours!) trying to grind out a crafting skill. I would rather be adventuring. But some people love crafting and are quite good at it.
If I could raise my crafting skill by completing a quest (a crafting quest that takes me adventuring) then I would find that much more enjoyable.
Posted 14 April 2009 - 07:34 PM
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